Fluid Bonding and STI Awareness Navigating Sexual Health in Ethical Non-Monogamy with Susan Bratton
In this eye-opening episode, I sit down with the incomparable Susan Bratton, a true pioneer in sexual wellness and non-monogamy. With decades of experience under her belt, Susan shares her wealth of knowledge on everything from STI testing to hormone replacement therapy, offering insights that could revolutionize your sex life.
Susan's candid approach to discussing her personal journey, including her current throuple arrangement and experiences with over a thousand threesomes, creates a safe space for exploring the intricacies of non-monogamous relationships. Her expertise in sexual techniques, communication skills, and intimate health paints a comprehensive picture of what it takes to cultivate a fulfilling sex life at any age.
Key Insights:
• The importance of understanding female arousal and desire
• Strategies for maintaining sexual health and pleasure as we age
• The lowdown on STI testing and safe sex practices in non-monogamous relationships
• How to navigate the emotional aspects of disclosing STI status
• The potential benefits and risks of new sexual health technologies and treatments
Susan's Top Tips for Better Sex:
1. Embrace "non-negotiables" in the bedroom
2. Prioritize relaxation for better arousal
3. Explore regenerative therapies for sexual health
4. Communicate openly about STI status and testing
5. Continuously educate yourself on sexual wellness
16:30 https://arousalsecret.com/
21:45 https://orgasmiccrosstraining.com/
29:30 https://personallifemedia.com/pump-guide/
33:58 https://www.glownaturalwellness.com/products/glow-below
38:30 http://pleasureprotocol.com/
47:49 fullpaneltest.com
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Transcript:
Ellecia: 0:14
Hey I'm Ellecia, your non-monogamous relationship coach. Welcome to the podcast where my friends and I chat about our relationships enthusiastic, non-monogamy polyamory, swinging, kink and our lives. You'll get a candid peek into what makes it worth it to live life outside the box. And in case you're still wondering nope, we're not monogamous Get ready to elevate your intimate experiences to new heights.
Ellecia: 0:49
In today's episode, I had the pleasure of sitting down with the incredible Susan Bratton, a true pioneer in sexual wellness and non-monogamy. Susan's journey into this world started decades ago, and her passion for mindful sexual practices shines through in every freaking word she shares. So we're exploring topics that can revolutionize your sex life, whether it's mastering STI testing, exploring hormone replacement therapy or unlocking the secrets of ageless sexuality. Susan brings a tremendous wealth of knowledge from her personal and her professional experiences, making this conversation not just informative but incredibly relatable and empowering. I am so inspired by her, and her candidness, with her own struggles and triumphs, combined with her expertise, creates a really safe space for us to learn how to enhance sexual pleasure and connection. And she doesn't just talk about sex she lives it, breathes it, brings it to life in ways that make you feel like you, too, can experience more satisfaction than you've ever imagined. So if you're ready to listen to a conversation that could change the way you approach your sexual experiences, let's make it happen.
Ellecia: 1:58
Take a listen. I hope you enjoy this as much as I enjoyed recording it. I did it. The fancy button worked Amazing. I am so happy you're here. I'm so happy to talk to you. This is very exciting for me. Would you tell the listeners a little bit about who you are?
Susan: 2:22
Sure. Well, first of all, you look gorgeous. Today. Anyone who is listening to this podcast in audio is missing. How gorgeous Alicia is. That beautiful hair with the purple tones, oh my gosh, you have really got it going on.
Susan: 2:39
This is a woman who has attention to detail, which I love, and I've been really looking forward to getting together with you. We both had to reschedule due to various things and I really love the concept of your show and, as a consensually non-monogamous person for decades, it's an area I'm kind, area. I'm a sexpert, and yet I'm not a therapist. I don't coach people one-on-one like you do. I don't sit in meetings with customers in this way.
Susan: 3:13
I run a publishing business and I publish passionate lovemaking techniques and bedroom communication skills and what I would consider to be ageless sexuality, intimate health and wellness, that whole kind of health category of everything from STIs and you know how to deal with. You know urinary tract infections and prostate issues and penis issues, and you know all that kind of stuff, as well as keeping your genitals healthy for ageless sexuality, because we get better at sex as we age if we put our intention on our sexuality, yeah, and so we have to keep our parts in good working order. So I would like to touch on that a little bit today because I think that's really an interesting area, the sexual regenerative set slash, sexual biohacking piece of things, because I think about sex as a three-legged stool that have kind of like equal weight. One is techniques, learning how to be a good lover, because we've really been fed a very patriarchal, very, you know, like, limited, narrow view of what sex is.
Susan: 4:24
So, techniques are great but they're useless without communication skills. And there's a real ascension model to learning how to be a good communicator behind closed doors and so there's like step one, step two, step three I've kind of figured that out over the last few decades and and then it's the health piece, like if the parts are broken, it's you're not, you're not doing anything. So I run a couple of companies. I'm the CEO, the face of the brand and author of 44 books and programs. I make a supplement line as well as a sexual vitality energy bar. I'm really into longevity and hot sex. I am currently in a throuple with my husband and another man. They are both straight. I've had over a thousand threesomes and group sex. I've had over a thousand threesomes and group sex. I've been to over I don't know 20 or 30 sex parties.
Susan: 5:28
I'm the spokesperson for a brand called Phoria, a brand called Gainswave and a brand called the Dr Joel Kaplan Company they make penis pumps as well as the chief advisory officer. I can't even remember my title. I should remember exactly. It's really good.
Susan: 5:49
We've flustered over it for a while of Basis Diagnostics, which is a next-generation at-home STI testing company testing company at home collection kit that you have, you just keep it on hand and then, when you need them, you just do them and send them in and you've got your results no more blood draws and appointments, and so that's really chief advocacy officer. That's a really interesting thing too, because when you're in consensual non-monogamy and you're, you know, having sex with multiple people, you're very aware of keeping yourself safe for the long term, because the downside of stis is, you know, can be literally terminal, but can also give you long lasting problems into your older age, and so the more we know about it, the better we do. So those are that's kind of me in a nutshell, both like personally as well as professionally. So I had a lot to talk to you about, which is why I'm glad I'm here. Thank you for having me.
Ellecia: 6:48
This is amazing. So I knew some of that, but only some of that. I am inspired, I am busy. I know that feeling. Yes, I imagine you are very busy, holy cow. So many good things. This is brilliant. I love talking to people who are as passionate as I am about helping the world have better sex. It's such an integral part of like who we are as humans and it's so needed Amazing, so okay. So so you have a triad, yeah, with two straight men. Can you tell me a little bit more about that?
Susan: 7:36
Yeah, sure, I also have a 27 year old daughter who is currently living with us at home, um, temporarily. She's a Marine scientist and she travels the world, so, um, her home base is part of, uh, like a um, a grandma cottage at her house and, uh, she loves our non-monogamy, yeah, and she loves right now she's, she has what she considers to be two daddies and, um, they both love her so much too, and she brought her boyfriend home and he's with us, this adorable australian oh my god, he is just so cute. We call him the bear and, um, he loves it too. And at first it was like, oh, okay, your mom has a husband and a boyfriend. What the fuck is that? Like, you know, she's like it's fantastic, wait till you meet them.
Susan: 8:27
So she has turned out to she's like I'm just super hetero and, you know, kind of serially monogamous, and I'm like, great, that's fine, you got plenty of time. That's what I tell her. I'm like so was I in my twenties. But what I love about it is that I have a relationship with everyone in my life that is completely honest and vulnerable and truthy, and I just love truthiness so much as as we non monogamous types do, because life is so much juicier when you're fully self expressed, including sexually expressed, and everyone's truths are valid and loved and appreciated, and it's just so nice.
Susan: 9:20
So I live with my husband and my boyfriend comes on the weekends and spends the weekends with us. He travels with us whenever he can and we are a family. We have a very what people would call kitchen table, polly, yeah, yeah, you know like we are all together for holidays and you know we are family meal people. So, uh, we've been eating dinner. We always eat around the table, but during the olympics we've been eating dinner in front of the tv together and, I know, just enjoying the shit out of snoop Dogg and Martha Stewart.
Susan: 9:58
Oh my God, his equestrian outfit made me so happy Me too, and he's afraid of horses, which is so cute, but he looked adorable, I know. It's really been a joy to see all of the Two-Spirit LGBTQIA plus people of the Olympics as well which I have loved.
Susan: 10:17
Thank God, we are making progress, alicia. We are finally making progress. That's one of the things I'm super excited about with the way the politics are turning right now, too, with Kamala Harris and her new vice presidential candidate, tim Walz, who fought for period products and trans privacy and support in Minnesota and I mean literally, as I'm telling you, I'm getting goosebumps. I am like so hopeful.
Ellecia: 10:46
Same yeah oh Midwestern dad energy is what we need.
Susan: 10:51
I know, I know he is Midwestern daddy and God, I love a daddy. I have two of them. It's definitely my thing and I love to have threesomes with two men. That's my favorite.
Susan: 11:07
I've had lots of configurations.
Susan: 11:09
I've had girlfriends, I've had partners who were gender non-conforming, and I would call myself a sapiosexual, pansexual, equal opportunity lover, but generally I kind of default to dudes and his lady.
Susan: 11:31
I also really like to, though I have a lot of femininity, I have a lot of masculinity and I really like to be fully expressed for all of my talents and skills, and I am, you know, kind of unabashedly apologetic about my strengths and feel that one of my jobs is that I need to be my true, full self, to model what that's like for those who are coming up behind me. I have been breaking barriers my whole life. I was born in the 60s into feminism and the birth control pill, and though I do not recommend birth control pills, I recommend fertility awareness and the non-medicated IUD. I have also worked in the meritocracy of Silicon Valley. I have been a high earner, I run two companies, I have multiple partners, I'm 63 and having the hottest sex of my life, and I just want to really give people the courage to be fully self-expressed to whoever they are as well. Yeah.
Ellecia: 13:38
Yes, yes, yes, yes, I love that it's. It's so, so fricking, inspiring. How, how? Okay, I'm curious. You had talked about being very truthy and the communication, and I'm curious, you, you mentioned um a way that you have learned to communicate in, in relationships and in the bedroom, so that things are better. Can you tell me more about that?
Susan: 14:07
Oh yeah, so I think I call these my non-negotiables. Yes, yes, yes, yes, that's what you're referring to.
Ellecia: 14:15
That's what I'm referring to.
Susan: 14:16
My bedroom. Communication ascension model.
Ellecia: 14:20
Ascension yes, I like to name shit.
Susan: 14:25
So well, the first thing is that the non-negotiables came from me really beginning to understand my female libido, desire and arousal matrix and realizing that it was very different living in a woman's body than in and when I say men and women, as I've already established, I'm a rainbow sparkle pony. Yeah, what I'm really talking about here is, like you know, kind of like how you think about yourself partially, but also literally just like the parts you got, your hormone profile. I mean, when now I take testosterone and estrogen and progesterone and I make a lot of oxytocin as well, because I actually eat a yogurt that I culture at home with lactobacillus ruderi that helps reestablish that bacteria in my gut, so I can produce a lot of oxytocin, which is I'm going to need that recipe.
Susan: 15:25
Yeah, kind of the antidote to cortisol and the stress of daily life. Yeah, and so I'm big on hormone therapy for myself at 63. I still even have my period. And you know, if I post that stuff online, women are like what, what's wrong with you? How the hell do you think you are? What do you think having menopause is bad? Like they, like they frigging, attack me. They're so triggered around me wanting to have my period, like I'm just fucking around because I want to have my period, I like to bleed, I like to extend my health span. I think that's helping me. It is a riot to see the like feeding frenzy on that stuff but, but your hormone profile.
Susan: 16:06
If you are a penis, your average penis, you know, penis owning testosterone dominant dude, you have a very different libido, desire, arousal matrix than the typical estrogen dominant, vulva owning woman and that affects how we get turned on. What you know, why we get turned on and everything in sex is a bell curve. So whenever I talk and you hear black and white, that's on you because that's not what my intention is. So what I'm trying to say here is that everything is a bell curve and there's people on the spectrums and I love you wherever you are, but it's typically most people are still in heterosexual, serial and monogamous pair, bonded dude and his lady situations, and even in non-monogamy there's a little more spectrum, but there's still a lot of people who identify as a man and have a penis, identify as a woman and have a vulva, and so we have these very different ways of getting turned on. And so my non-negotiables came from deeply understanding that. The first asset that I want to drop in your show for people Cause I talked to Ellecia and I said I have a lot of resources and there does give them away. And so the first one is called it's at arousal secrets. It might even be secret arousal secretcom and put an S there if it doesn't come up.
Susan: 17:45
Um, and that is really a deep dive into how women's arousal works, because so many women say I don't have a libido and I'm like, hmm, well, if you're healthy, the reason you don't is most likely not your hormones. Actually, it's most likely that you've just had shitty fucking sex your whole life and it's like no reason to do it. Plus, you're just spontaneous person, not a. You know, you're a responsive person, not a spontaneous person. You need to be seduced, you need to be relaxed. Arousal begins in relaxation. It takes you 20 or 30 minutes to get turned on and by that time most women's sex has been over for 20 to 25 minutes, because we have this view that sex is intercourse and everything else is foreplay, which is also a broken paradigm. So it's like no, it's all sex. Playing with my titties is sex. Kissing me is sex. Giving me a body massager is sex.
Ellecia: 18:41
Sexting me is sex.
Susan: 18:42
Going down on me? Yeah, sexting me is sex, yeah, and you know this whole like patriarchal religious construct of you know, sex is for procreation only.
Susan: 18:54
The only thing that matters is intercourse. You're just here to breed my baby so I can take over the world with my racism. You know it's like. That's basically what we've been laboring under. And so women have this thing because of estrogen, because we are prey, not predators, and because we have this very highly developed reticular activation system that makes us have to keep our eye on a million things, because we're never safe walking in the world that it takes a lot for us to let down, to feel safe where men and I'm just talking about the penis-owning, testosterone-dominant average person they walk in the world safely. They get a bath of testosterone. They have nocturnal erections, wake up with morning wood, have a bath of testosterone. They're spontaneously desired, they're ready to go, they can drop trowel and pretty much fuck anywhere. Again, generalizing, sure yeah.
Ellecia: 19:50
Yeah.
Susan: 19:51
And so we're so different and we've been kind of thought that we were having what we thought was sex, but it was actually just religious, patriarchal, male dominated sex instead of what women need. And so the more that women understand, the more that women and our partners understand what we, what's actually right for us and what we need, the more we can have the great sex that we desire and the more our partners know about that, they can help us get it and give it to us, which is what they want to do.
Ellecia: 20:23
Absolutely.
Susan: 20:23
So my non negotiables are things like it takes me 20 to 30 minutes to really get ready for any kind of, you know, orally intercourse thing. I need a lot of pussy massaging, I need a lot of breast play, I need a lot of kissing, I need to stroke a cock, I need to relax and chill and you know that kind of thing and I get impatient with myself even to this day and I have to say to myself girl, you just have to wait till you're ready.
Susan: 20:53
If you're not ready, you're not ready. So many women have lubrication issues because of that, not because they have lubrication issues because they don't get the blood flow to their pelvic bowl to see through their vaginal mucosal lining, to wet the lining, to trigger, trigger them, to let them know they're turned on. And so it's really about the and desire women we women have. We have to overcome our judgmentalness, which is judgment keeps us safe. Is this good for me? Is this bad for me?
Susan: 21:24
Is this a problem or not? It's all around safety for us, a lot of it, and so we judge ourselves as much as we judge situations surroundings partners. And we're like I'm fat, I have cellulite, my tits are saggy, my ass looks weird, you know, is there a hair there? Whatever it is, we got to like get out of our heads and into our bodies and surrender to our pleasure, and that takes us time. So these kinds of things are very, very, very important to us and then take into account data that tells us that.
Susan: 22:00
You know, I read a lot of clinical sexual you know, study of sexual medicine stuff, and I saw this survey that asked 41 women to tell a nurse practitioner, when she touched them in these various places in their body, what they felt. And the conclusion of the research was 50% of women felt pleasure in their vagina, 40% in their clitoris, but mostly anywhere else. It was either, if you netted it out, shame, pain or numbness. And I thought to myself well, that's only because no one's ever touched them in those places and told them it was okay to feel pleasure and touch them in ways that felt pleasurable. And if 40% are feeling sensation that's pleasurable in their clitoris and not a hundred percent.
Susan: 22:49
You know it's like all they've ever been is penetrated and associated that with the pleasure, and they've never even had their clits touched and or they've been told all this stuff is shamey, shamey, yeah. So I teach a lot of orgasmic activation, how to be touched pleasurably using cross-training tools the eight kinds for the vulva owner, the four kinds for the penis owner. It's at orgasmic cross trainingcom that activate the neural pathways to your biggest sex organ, your brain. So you can basically light up your pussy, light up your dick and your prostate and your testicles so that you begin to have massively pleasurable orgasmic experiences, confidently, reliably, consistently, that get better and better and better over time so you can achieve the over 20 different kinds of orgasms the human body of anything on the gender spectrum can experience we think oh, we can't have an orgasm from intercourse.
Susan: 23:48
And he goes oh, I guess we can't. Well, we're still going to fuck and it's like that's the norm, it's right.
Ellecia: 23:54
It's yeah, yeah, it's crazy making it's crazy Like like once you know and have experienced so many different types of orgasm. It's like how, how did I live my life and have sex in a way before that was not like this? That wasn't this pleasurable, yeah.
Susan: 24:13
Yeah, we just didn't know what we didn't know. Yeah, yeah, totally Totally.
Ellecia: 24:17
Now we do, thanks to you so many good things Um, no-transcript about when you talk about how it gets better and better the more practice you have. Which? When you have more practice, you are also aging. You're taking time to practice, so I'm curious about how. What is my question here? My question is what is ageless sexuality?
Susan: 25:04
question here. My question is what is ageless sexuality? Yeah, ageless sexuality is a couple of things. First thing it is is the fact that you do get better at sex and pleasure and communication. I forgot to do the communication. Oh yeah, it's that sex gets better and better as you age, because you get more confident, you get um more capable, you have more skills, you know you, you feel less body image issues, you begin to understand your desires more. You just, you just have had more experience. It's that. It's also equally that when you have good sex and you keep doing it, it keeps you younger and fitter.
Susan: 25:49
It's a, you know, orgasmic pleasure generates the oxytocin that is the neutralizer of cortisol and adrenaline that comes from stress. It makes you feel connected. It reboots your nervous system. It oxygenates your whole vascular system, including your big old cranium. It sends lots and lots of neural signals and vagal nerve signals up into your brain. It releases neurotransmitters and hormone cascades of pleasure dopamine, serotonin, oxytocin, etc. It just does so many things that are beneficial for your body, that are very anti-aging generally, that it also helps you live longer. There are a lot of studies out there that come to the basic same conclusion, which is that people who keep having sex live a longer, healthier, happier life. And so it's. You're going to hit roadblocks. Yeah, that's what life is a series of of high points and low points, and it's all how you handle them. And when you hit an obstacle, whether that is I'm having thinning tissue in my vagina, I'm experiencing, experiencing incontinence, I've got loss of orgasmic intensity due to atrophy, I'm having, you know, loss of firm erections, having loss of sensitivity in my penis. I'm noticing that it's shrinking, you know any of those kinds of things and others. What I recommend are regenerative therapies, and when we talk about regenerative therapies, we talk about a stack. A stack is a number of things you can do that synergistically, work together to reverse the ravages of aging and keep all your equipment working well. And I'll give it to you in a very simple way Hormone replacement therapy very simple.
Susan: 28:09
The second is nitric oxide supplementation. Eat your leafy greens and your beetroot, but also supplement with nitric oxide. The next is that's why I have a supplement company. I have a nitric oxide supplement called Flow that it's on Amazon that is made from organic fruit and vegetables, because I like food and naturally derived supplements rather than synthetic supplements made in a lab. By the time we're 50, we have half the nitric oxide we did when we were 20. And that's the gaseous signaling molecule that moves the blood into our penis and vulva and vaginal tissue so that we can have engorgement and erectile function, which increases the tissue volume such that the surface area is larger, so that when it gets touched with sensation it sends more signals to the brain, allowing the brain to process that as pleasure, so that you have the intensity of orgasm and can achieve orgasms. So nitric oxide is very important.
Susan: 29:16
And then, for both penis and vulva owners, I recommend Gaines Wave, and the reason I'm a spokesperson for them is because I have told everyone about them for the last I don't know five years straight. Because it is singularly that I had started in my 50s, my late 40s, early 50s with vaginal atrophy, trying things like laser devices and rf devices and they burned me and they hurt and they didn't really work and they were super expensive. And then I found gains wave, which is an acoustic wave device that's basically wanded over the tissue and it stimulates new tissue growth and reverses all of those aforementioned problems. And I just said I want to tell the world about what you do, because people need to know what they can trust and what's bullshit. And so there are Gaines Wave treatments are so wonderful. They're wonderful, they're non-invasive and they reconstitute the tissue that ages from atrophy of aging. And then for men I, women do this too, but it's not as common.
Susan: 30:31
Um, trans people are quite a large cohort, for this as well, um, and that is, and a lot of lesbians who want a big clit, they want like a little dick. Yeah, um, using vacuum erection devices. So a penis pump, yeah, so, um, I they call they joke, I'm jokingly called the queen of peen, which I think is so cute, and um, basically, I've written a book at PumpingGuidecom which explains how you use a penis pump to reverse atrophy, but go on to continue to use it to increase and enlarge your penis, where you're using essentially progressive overload, and so over time you are increasing the tissue mass, the overall penile volume, and the clit is a little penis, it's a shaft, you know. It's got a glands and a shaft, it has more pieces, it has little arms and little legs too, but the root of it is a little penis, and so it can also be enlarged.
Susan: 31:44
And I like to enlarge my clitoral structure through the use of testosterone, as well as through clitoral pumping and vulva pumping, in addition to the gains wave, because I like to have a big fucking lady boner yes, because the bigger it is, the more pleasure it creates, and I like to have orgasms that leave me, you know, basically just completely exhausted from the pleasure. And so, and a lot of them and lots of them, lots of kinds of them, yeah, and so, you know, most of the people who are listening to your show are going to be like I'm not gonna pop my clit, but I might go get a Gainesway for her and reconstitute the tissue, because I have noticed that I'm getting flaccid, I have vaginal laxity, I've got incontinence, my lubrication is down, it does seem to be a little harder to achieve orgasm. This is what happens to our lady parts as we age, and so you know different strokes. I just want you guys to know what's out there, and so all of those things work really well. And then there's always like, okay, I'm, you know, super wealthy and I can do anything and everything. What else is there? Because that all is within reason. All of those products and prices are all and it's all in the pumping guide. Products and prices are all and it's all in the pumping guide. All of that is within reason. But you can also get things like prp injections using your own blood, the growth factors from your own blood. You can add exosomes, you can have your stem cells harvested or buy umbilical stem cells or, you know, cord blood stem cells and have those injected into your genital structures or through IV to reconstitute your tissue. So there are a lot of biohacking and regenerative therapies coming on, you know, like on the horizon, for genital regenerative, restorative types of things as well.
Susan: 33:35
But the basic thing like, if you're 30, 40, 50, and you're a guy, pump, use a pump once a week, maybe twice a week. Number one it feels good. Number two, it keeps your erection solid, firm, it keeps your penis veiny and full of life, it makes your sensation good. It's just so nice. And if you are a woman, there's another device. It's called the vagina device and it's a little handheld device that uses three modes. It's like an at home restoration device vaginadevicecom modulation that really helps generate mitochondrial biogenesis to increase the thickness of the vaginal mucosal lining, while it uses warmth for recollagenation and vibration for kegel musculature, pelvic musculature strengthening, um and so this, combined with Gainesway for her treatments, is really fantastic. Top it up with a little estrogen. Um, I like. Glow below, it's a um, it's a. Get glow below, that's their website Glow Below. They have a DHEA vaginal serum and they have a bi-est the estriol and estradiol vaginal serum and what I like about this is I actually use this on my face, the back of my hands, my neck.
Ellecia: 35:11
That's what I was about to say. Sounds like my skin serum.
Susan: 35:14
I use it on my face in those places, as well as in my vagina, because estrogen replacement keeps the UTIs down. It keeps the genitourinary symptoms of menopause, gsm abated, and what I like about the GetGlobalo is that it's very clean, clean, clean, clean. One of the things I'm struggling with right now is that when people get off of their IUD and they go to fertility awareness method, they have this issue where they need to use a condom during their fertile window, and condoms are problematic because they are made from either latex, which most people have sensitivity to, which is a rubber, or they're made from polyurethane and polyisoprene, which is safe for using with lubricants, but it's plastic, but it's plastic. And or, um, uh, what's the other one? Um, latex, oh, sheepskin, which you know vegetarians don't want to use, and so the problem is I don't want people putting plastic in their vulva, because in their vagina, because it's putting plastic inside them, like we're not eating out of plastic bowls anymore.
Susan: 36:42
We're trying to avoid plastic bottles. Not only are they filling up our oceans and our trash, but they're going in our bodies. Guys are, guys are fine, they're finding guys have plastic particles in their balls, and so these are the endocrine disruptors that ruin our hormone production. And so one of the things that I don't like and I haven't figured out yet is what is a very safe condom. But what I have figured out is and I guess you know it's like the Mordita, the little death, a little poison. For you know, for safety is really what you have to think about it as, because I don't have a good solution is really what you have to think about it as, because I don't have a good solution. But what I have a good solution for is lube. Okay, momovation did testing on one aspect of lubricants and found that all the drugstore brands, all the you know all those brands, the ky's, etc. Etc. Etc. They all have what are called organic fluorines in them, which which are highly carcinogenic. They're the PFAS, the P-F-A-S, the forever chemicals.
Susan: 37:47
And so I partnered with FORIA F-O-R-I-A for this pleasure protocol, and I'll send you some. Remind me at the end to get your address and I'll send some to you. This is MCT oil, which isn't coconut oil. It's a derivative of coconut oil, so it's not an antibacterial that's going to disrupt your microbiome. It has botanicals in it and it has CBD, which is phytocannabinoids and our endocannabinoid system in our body. It's in our organs, in our tissue, a lot in our genital systems. That's our pleasure healing pathway and what they've come up with, my pleasure protocol is three of their products I use together and recommend. One is called Melts. They're these little cocoa butter, little pieces, kind of like the size of your thumb that you insert one in your vagina. They also have booty melts.
Susan: 38:46
They also have relief melts for menopause and pms, and then that's really nice, because trying to get lube up in there can be difficult, especially for anal. Yeah and um, I used to recommend uber lube and um, that was a silicon lubricant for anal, but the problem is that, um, they were on that organic fluorine list and I'm like I gotta, I gotta, x that off my list now. So I use the booty melts for anal, which I love. I just discovered how much I love anal in my sixties. So never say, never, never say never there's so much good there.
Susan: 39:27
I love it.
Ellecia: 39:29
I feel so good.
Susan: 39:30
And then they have their awaken arousal oil which you rub on the vulva. Just a couple of drops and it's like a pre lubricant. It's like it awak, awakens the brain, the biggest sex organ, to vulva connection so you start your lubrication and relaxation, and then their sex oil is for all the slide and glide that you want, totally clean, no gunk in it. So that's at pleasureprotocolcom and that's a really, really, really nice set. And they made me a custom page with a discount, so that's nice for your listeners. It's 20% off.
Susan: 40:10
Amazing they have a little kit you can try. That's trial size. They have the full size grouping and then they also have a CBD free version for people who get drug tested at work or live in Utah or North Dakota where they can't take. You know they can't get CBD shipped to them. I love CBD. I also like cannabis. It works for me. I like to have a little cannabis before lovemaking because I find it very relaxing. Even the Forea CBD vape pen, which is just CBD, if you don't want anything psychoactive is a wonderful relaxant Because we go back to the original thing I was saying, which is arousal can't begin until we're relaxed.
Susan: 40:58
You can turn my knobs and push my buttons all you want and shit isn't going to happen. Until I'm chill and I'm not special, that's just the female container, and so I just work with what I'm given and that's why I have my non-negotiables about, like, not rushing myself. Another one is I don't know anybody in ejaculation when I'm done or need a break. I'm done and take a break. I like to incorporate sex toys into my play. They're hot, incredible. So there's a lot of things where I really need to have certain things and it's not me, it's just my meat operating system the meat package I live in and it's your meat package too the better. We can support our little meat packages to give them what they need.
Susan: 41:54
So those are a lot of my you know like really good tools for quickly cross-training, becoming more orgasmic, becoming more relaxed, understanding you're not broken, understanding that if you haven't had something yet, it's just a matter of time. Keep trying.
Ellecia: 42:14
Yes, yes, yes, yes, oh, my God, I, you know, I would say I knew about 70% of that, and I feel like I feel like my mind has just been opened up to so many possibilities. Because I feel like you know, like I'm a very, very sex positive person and I do things like go well, I'm 45 and you know, like certain tissues are changing and I go to my gynecologist and he's like man, you don't got to worry about that yet, yeah, but like I do so now what Patriarchal allopathic system is?
Susan: 42:47
bullshit yeah.
Ellecia: 42:48
Yeah, and I have a good one and he was still. He's like you know, use lube, make sure you use lube. But that was the answer and I'm like okay cool, I'm doing that.
Susan: 42:57
They're not trained. They're not trained to do anything preventative either.
Ellecia: 43:06
Yeah, you know, like if you have a broken bone they're good, Absolutely, we can save your life, Just not your sex life. We'll do that Exactly, Gosh. I feel like my mind has been open to so many things. I'm curious. You know you address there's so many physical solutions and I wonder how much, say, for like you know, like erectile dysfunction or just the decline of what is possible? You know there's all of these tools that you can use, but how much of that is um requires a change in like mindset or how you're approaching the way you think about sexuality?
Susan: 43:46
Yeah, well, it's difficult for me to talk about changes in mindset. You're the patient, one that works with clients one on one, drags them through the process. Oh yes, oh yes, that is not me. I write hot sex techniques. Um, I have like a super fast acting mind. If you give me a piece of information and it makes sense to me, I can turn on a dime and execute. So I'm really the wrong person to ask about that. All I can do is give you the information, and one of the things that is important to know is that there are people who are fast adjusters and slow adjusters.
Ellecia: 44:33
And I don't know what to tell you about that.
Susan: 44:34
I tell you what to do. You decide if you want to do it. There are people who are in large states of denial about especially men, honestly about. Like women will be like I think my pussy's broken. I don't know what it is, but I think my pussy's broken. Men will be like nah, I'm good Even though they're pushing a wet noodle.
Ellecia: 44:57
A shrinking wet noodle.
Susan: 44:59
No, it's good enough. No, no, no, I'm still pretty good. I'm looking good and they're like not looking good. So men are much slower on any emotional processing and it is actually documented by science that it takes them longer to to really think things through and take things in. And I think a part of that is just the way the brain systems lay down, yeah, like the nucleus accumbens or something like that, you know. But it's also that testosterone makes men feel more confident than they probably should and estrogen makes women feel less confident than they probably should. And that is born out in the boardroom, where you'll see, you know, or in corporate America, where you'll see a guy who's less qualified throw himself in for a promotion, where a woman's like more qualified, she's not sure if she should.
Susan: 45:55
you know, that plays out in a million ways.
Ellecia: 45:58
Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely, yes, 100%, yeah, so it's really really first just just acknowledging that there is a change that could happen and then going after it. Yeah, you know, you were talking about um, you were talking about condoms and and I'm curious, I don't, I don't want to leave this without hitting on um, on sexual safety.
Susan: 46:22
Yeah, I'd love to. I'd love to read that article or that, that uh question, yeah, so, um, Ellecia and I, just before I'm looking for my glasses so I can read the damn question, hang on, that's. The only problem with 63 is my pussy works great, but my eyes not so much boy, do those guys look good? I just saw the funniest meme. It was um a pie chart and it had all the places I've left my glasses and the whole chart was fuzzy.
Ellecia: 47:01
Cannot see them, I can totally relate to that.
Susan: 47:05
Okay, I got an email from someone regarding herpes, and let's talk about fluid bonded screening groups, let's talk about safe sex tests, etc. Um, and let me do that really fast and then read the question and let's talk about perfect. So I saved this for your show because I thought, oh, it'll be great if we both answer it together. So, um, and because it's an ethically non-monogamous question, sure, so a fluid bonded screening group. Have you talked about that much on the show? A little bit, a little bit, okay, yeah, so just to catch your listeners up, that's the practice that I have used for the last 20 years.
Susan: 47:44
I've been married for 31 years together for 33, and non a consensually non-monogamous for 20. And so I've done lots of styles. But the one thing that I learned very early on from my non-monogamous mentors who are now pushing their 80s, the OGs who taught me the downloads on everything is that I want to protect myself from STIs because there are long term downstream negative effects of getting STIs Everything from neuralgias you know, herpetic neuralgias to dementia, to parts unknown, things we don't even know because we're not even thinking about it, because stis are such a like an anathema oh, we can't talk about that you know, and so I like to have the discussions about it, and so I have a document that I give to all prospective partners, and they have to take a full panel test.
Susan: 48:53
The test test that I use with Basis Diagnostics BasisDx is at fullpaneltestcom and it is the eight most important tests to take to take, and it also includes the HSV upgrade, which I recommend to people, because if you know you have herpes, you will be much more likely to understand if you have an outbreak, an active outbreak, and though no one's ever done any conclusive testing, I'm giving you my non-doctor, non-medical, personal way. I handle this Sure, because that's what I can do for you as a sex nerd, as a science reading sex nerd.
Ellecia: 49:45
Absolutely.
Susan: 49:45
So if people don't know that they have HSV, herpes 1 and 2, and there's many, many kinds of herpes, of course, just like HPV, and there's no good test for HPV for men, there's only a test for women and that's the pap smear. So regular pap smears are very, very important. So with HSV, if you are having sex with people who aren't getting tested for it, if they don't know whether they have it or not, and they have an outbreak, a lot of times the outbreak is on their ass, by the nerve ganglion, at the base of the sacroiliac, where your butt dimples are, where the end of your spine is, on your on your ass. A lot of guys especially, you know, because they're kind of impervious to pain, they'll be like oh yeah, I think I just have a zit on my butt. No, dude, that's a fucking herpes zoster. You know like it's really important for people to not just expect herpes outbreaks to be on the dick or the pussy, right.
Ellecia: 50:49
Right.
Susan: 50:50
They are. They can be anywhere or, you know, it's not just the lips, if you will right the lips up or down and uh. So knowledge is power and my advice and you have to do what you have to do. I am not a doctor, I'm not giving you medical advice. I'm just telling you my personal opinion and how I've handled things over the year, because I got herpes. I always had from early on. My mother, I think, kissing me when I was little, gave me oral herpes, so I had fever blisters as a child, so I knew I had that. And then in my 20s my boyfriend cheated on me when I was still monogamous and we didn't know how to do shit right, and gave me genital herpes. It's been extremely painful. It's lessened through my life, but you know like I literally have shingles outbreaks sometimes. I just got the new shindrix shingrix I don't remember how you say it right recombinant shingles vaccination, which is a new. Recombinant vaccinations don't give you a little bit of the poison, they actually use a different modality, so it doesn't trick. It triggers your immune system without giving you a little shingles, which is nice. Um, and all of these things have long-term downstream effects. So you really, I'm a, I'm a vaccination proponent, uh, myself.
Susan: 52:09
Personally, I think a lot of the anti-vaxxing information has done our country a great disservice. We're getting polio outbreaks and measles outbreaks and all kinds of things, and it's disinformation that's coming from outside the country most of the time and preying on people who don't understand science, and the downside of that is that people are getting ill and dying, which our enemies like. Like that. They're trying to create disarray in our society and they're trying to split us into factions, and so it's just. It's just. You know it's emotional warfare, yeah, so when you know that you have it, you can watch out for it, and what I do is, if I have an outbreak, I abstain the entire time of the outbreak and until that skin is healed.
Ellecia: 52:58
Yeah.
Susan: 52:59
That's what I do and I will cover it up with a bandaid like a waterproof bandaid, and I will still like let's just say I have a herpes outbreak on my labia I would still do oral sex. I can't give you herpes. Herpes is a skin-to-skin contact transmission.
Susan: 53:21
It comes from the zoster, from the outbreak, and so if you completely cover it up, you could still do oral manual play. There's a lot of things you can do. You don't have to abstain from sex unless you think sex is only intercourse, and you know what I mean, and so I think it's just like that whole knowledge is power thing.
Susan: 53:41
Absolutely the more you know, the better you do so, and what I like about the full panel test at basis is that you keep them at home now and keep a couple at home and then when you need them, it's all home collection. It can be, you know, just a little sample from a fingertip of blood into a little vial. It can be a urine sample, it can be a swab sample, depending on which things they're testing for, and it's a very, very comprehensive test. It's called the comprehensive eight, and then you add the HSV on there and then you send the kid in and within 24 to 48 hours of them receiving it and they're getting locations across the country.
Susan: 54:28
Now, which is great too, you have your answers via email, and they even have the contract with the adult industry, now called PASS, where they'll do digital online telehealth verification. So if you want to make sure the test results you're seeing are from the person you need the test results from let's just say there's a low trust environment situation going on Sure, you can have it visually verified with their identity and that's available as well, which you know. Unfortunately, there's a lot of sociopaths. Psychopaths mean people who take advantage of others that are out there in the world, and if you want to be super, super safe, you can. You can do that too. Yeah, the kind of molecular fingerprint of the person is available, so that's an interesting new technology as well, and the adult industry has adopted that, which I love.
Ellecia: 55:27
That's amazing.
Susan: 55:28
Basis diagnostics to do so? Yeah, so that's what I wanted to preface. Shall I read the question? Yeah, let's hear it. Dear Susan, I recently tested positive via swab because I went positive for herpes via swab because I went to into instant outbreak from stress. I'm learning to live this life while being ethically non-monogamous and it's been excruciatingly difficult so far. My purpose in reaching out to you is any advice on when and how to disclose my herpes positive situation. I've outed myself to the entire Swinger Society community because we need to do better on our testing.
Susan: 56:11
I haven't always been so diligent in it and used protection. However, I never asked to see tests. I just asked you your last test and status. However, little did I know that HSV2 wasn't something that's included in full panels and what people are doing. Had I have asked to see it, I would have because I was personally testing for it. So I made the decision that if it was my would have because I was personally testing for it. So I made the decision that if it was my reality that I could be part of the conversation or the topic, as I'm known within the community because of my roles, that would be helpful for everyone.
Susan: 56:44
But on a personal level, I don't know how to do it. I lost a lot of longstanding connections, which was awful, and now it feels like people are scared to touch me or speak to me. I know a lot of that is in the lack of education and knowledge about herpes transmission, so I'm trying not to take it personally. I guess I just need to hear success stories or that it gets easier. I'm not really sure. What can you tell me to help me navigate this difficult and very upsetting situation?
Ellecia: 57:17
Oh man, you know she hits on so many good points there about like the lack of education and awareness and the lack of communication in general in even in like really sex positive circles that aren't as sex positive as they should be.
Susan: 57:33
Yeah, yeah. So do you want to go first, or do you want me to go first?
Ellecia: 57:40
Yeah, I'll go first. You know, I think it's really interesting. It's actually the thing that you said earlier about being tested and having awareness, like if you know that you like if you aren't getting tested for HSV2, you don't know whether you have it or not, like there's no way to know and you aren't going to get tested for it unless you specifically ask for that, and so the thing that I my own way of dealing with that in when I'm having sexual safety conversations with people is one I feel a lot more. I don't actually ask to see tests. However, I feel a lot more trusting or safe if someone knows of their positive status. Right, if they tell me, yeah, I'm HSV2 positive, my last outbreak was, you know, however, long ago and if they're using antivirals or not, like what they're doing to limit transmission of that, I feel so much safer having that information and having sex with that person than I do with someone who's just like no, I'm clean. Like how do you know? Yeah, yeah, like, how do?
Susan: 58:52
you know, yeah, yeah. I also don't like the idea of clean, because it connotes that the opposite is dirty. If you have an STI and STIs aren't dirty, they're viruses, bacterias and parasites Yep of them. And they are primarily skin to skin contact, not actually semen or vaginal mucosal or any of those kinds of things Almost all of them are skin to skin contact. And so when people think, okay, well, I'll wear a condom when we fuck, but I'm still gonna go down on him or eat her pussy or what have you, Yep, that's just as dangerous, Yep.
Susan: 59:38
And so one of the things that I recommend is something that I call just the AB safety rule. A safety is I can put my hands on you, you can put your hands on me, we can kiss, but no mouth to genital or genital to genital contact until we've done our full panel test with HSV included yeah, HSV one and two. And then, once we have our tests and I read yours and you read mine my husband's actually the keeper of all the tests of anybody we've ever had sex with, and by sex I mean anything not level A and I think that's a very, very good way to do it, because then we know that people are aware and we don't not have sex with people because of herpes. We just ask that if they have an outbreak, we we that they they abstain. It's hands and kissing only. And we do a lot of hand washing and triple hand washing. You want to soap and rinse three times If you've touched general, like if you've given a pussy massage or a lingam massage or what have you. Um, you want to go wash your hands before you touch anything again and not to be afraid of a lot of sanitary experiences. You can use the hand sanitizer with the soap and just make sure it's all clean and you've separated any. You know washcloths or towels that you've used or what have you, and wash off your lube and you know all of those kinds of things. That's not obsessive, compulsive, that's safe, safety minded. Yeah.
Susan: 1:01:20
And the B level then is when you get into genital to genital and oral to genital contact and you have to have all your testing. So you know, because I've had herpes my entire life, I've had to tell every partner I have it. I've also told them that I've been married to my husband for 33 years and he's never gotten herpes. And I don't need to take acyclovir or valcyclovir or any of the antivirals because my outbreaks have diminished to almost nothing, so luckily I'm not taking that every day.
Susan: 1:01:55
It was would bother my stomach to do that, but some people do. They're under a lot more stress and they do have to. You know, have to take the antivirals, and that's fair to everybody. Has to decide the right things for them. But the other thing that I think is very important is to do a visual body scan, Front and back. As I've told you, the herpes viruses live in the nerve ganglions the trigeminal for oral and the what is it called? The sciatic ganglion, the one at the base, I forget what it's called and they live there dormant, waiting for your immune system to dip so they can flare and pass themselves along. So the stress is definitely going to exacerbate herpes outbreaks for sure, which is really shitty because they hurt.
Susan: 1:02:48
They hurt and I feel badly for people that have a lot of outbreaks. It is unpleasant, yeah. So what I would tell my my you know my person who asked me what to do is I would say start to educate your entire community. Become the sti, begin to learn about the tests, move them over to basis diagnostics with the full panel test and get the kits into the sex parties and into the people and all of the things that you're doing. Have everyone tested before they come and then showing results. You can have a records keeper in the organization so people can pass their tests on and then they can be read. People can be clear about what they have and don't have, and then they can have the conversation, the safe sex conversation. Okay, I have, you know, pepsi, or I have herpes or I have whatever, and I am also getting regular pap smears to test for that, because men can't get tested for it.
Susan: 1:03:58
Only women, so the women have to be careful about the HPV stuff.
Susan: 1:04:03
You can also take. Talk about your HPV vaccinations, if you've had them, and so, basically it's. You know what are you being tested for, how are you asking about it and how are you communicating it and what kind of safety protocols are you using? Visual full body scans? It's an abstinence when you have breakouts, and the more that we normalize this and we stop talking about it as clean and dirty, the more that we realize that it's just one of the many things we carry Epstein-Barr.
Susan: 1:04:35
75% of people carry some herpes virus. It's not like, honestly, a lot of the people who think they're clean are not. They just don't have outbreaks, but they still have it. We're carriers of these things and so they're lucky that they're not having the outbreaks for the transmission truly. And so I think, once you know all those things, you don't have to feel bad that you did anything wrong and that you are actively and you're proactively keeping people safe.
Susan: 1:05:11
Yeah, and people will love you for teaching them what to do, how to do it and watching over them, and so I really feel like this young person can be a harbinger of good for her community and that those people in that community will spread to other communities and teach them, and we have already been through a pandemic. We are still going through a pandemic together. So we have certainly learned mitigating strategies like airflow, lowering our you know small close quarters, wearing N95s when we're traveling and and those kinds of things. So you know, we live in a world of viruses, bacterias and parasites that want to spread through our transmission, and the more that we're just grown up about it, the better we can take care of and love everyone and have super hot sex where we know we're taking care of and being careful with people's hearts, minds and bodies.
Ellecia: 1:06:20
Yes, yes, yes, yes, Absolutely 100%. I love that. It's so important that people just like awareness, right Like, if you're having sex, you're always making a risk. You're always taking a risk of some sort, and so the more knowledge that you have, the more awareness that you have, the better risk assessment you're able to make.
Susan: 1:06:43
Yeah, let me tell you another thing that I get a lot of shit, for, if you want to hear it, I do. Yeah, I get a lot of shit. I trigger the fuck out of people constantly over various things.
Ellecia: 1:06:56
Um.
Susan: 1:06:59
I worry about. You know, I love prep for the you know, anti HIV, um, hiv prevention, although I just recently read that, um, the Gates Foundation has been working on funding a two vaccination HIV. You know an HIV vaccine in Africa that is looking like 96, 98 percent as good as PrEP, so that guys won't or people won't have to take, you know, pharmaceuticals constantly. They can just get a vaccination. So that's very positive news. But, um, the gay world has been doing a fantastic job taking their prep. And now they're taking oh shit, what's it called? It's doxycycline, um, uh, oh shit, what's it called. It's doxycycline? Um, uh, it's a. It's an oral antibiotic that is like a morning after pill.
Susan: 1:07:59
Doxypep, doxypep it's called, and they're so used to taking prep that they're now adding on doxypep. So they're going out and they're fucking whomever and they're on their grinder and they're having their hookups. And I love gay men because they are the most sexually emancipated humans on this planet, which is fantastic. But I recently saw a friend of mine who's gay and he said I fucked somebody new every single day for the last three weeks. It's been fantastic and I'm like that's a lot, babe, I'm glad you are. But jesus and um, he's taking doxypep and doxypep is a broad spectrum antibacterial.
Susan: 1:08:39
That is an antibiotic and it's an antibiotic and the thing that worries me about that is that they're ruining their gut microbiomes and your gut microbiome is your first line of immune defense and so they're just popping that like candy and it's a bummer for me because they're not having the STI testing and safe sex. It's much more transactional sex. They're having a lot more partners and they're not making any oxytocin anymore from killing that stuff off. They're you know, they're killing all of the good and positive gut bacteria and that's going to lead to things like small intestinal you know bacterial overgrowth and acid reflux and lowering their production of neurotransmitters and hormones and giving them irritable bowel syndrome and leading to things like restless leg syndrome and difficulty sleeping and lower immune response. I mean, our gut is the seat of our health.
Susan: 1:09:43
Yeah, and I don't like the trend and I get a lot of shit in the gay market around my position on that. They're like oh, you're such a fucking bummer. Shut up. You know you're not the boss of me, you know you don't even know what you're talking about. I'm like I do know what I'm talking about and it's not.
Susan: 1:10:01
I would not be so cavalier with my gut microbiome but, I'm a 63 year old woman who's been around a long time. I'm not, you know, a 20 or 30 year old young man enjoying the fruits of the grinder universe. And so I mean, I get it, you do you and I'll do me, but at least I told you.
Ellecia: 1:10:21
Yeah, he's not. He's not getting a yeast infection from taking antibiotics, but you know what?
Susan: 1:10:27
what they're finding now is that a lot of prostate cancer and prostatitis issues are from prostate dysbiosis. And a lot of it is candida and other negative. You know, gram positive, bad bacterias in the prostate which then render them impotent because they have to have prostate chemotherapy. Essentially, you know, and so this shit creeps up on you if you're not careful. Yeah, so you have to have me back on so I can talk about hot sex techniques, because I've just absolutely granny bitching about everything you're definitely coming back.
Ellecia: 1:11:13
We want all the hot sex techniques.
Susan: 1:11:15
We'll do the dirty talk. We'll do some hot sex. We'll talk about navigating threesomes, foursomes and moresomes from a woman who's had a thousand? How about?
Ellecia: 1:11:24
that, yes, absolutely A hundred percent. A hundred percent Because I'm all like Take care of yourself, cause I'm all like take care of yourself.
Susan: 1:11:33
But I am. I am everybody's mommy, that's for sure. You know, I'm not just the queen of peen.
Ellecia: 1:11:40
I love it so much. Um, if people want to want to find you, uh, I have. I have a couple of links going in the show notes, but what would be the best?
Susan: 1:11:49
way to find you. Yeah, um, one link I forgot to give you was gainswavecom slash. Better, they've given me a seventh treatment free. So people who are like, shit, I am pushing a wet noodle, all right, I need a penis pump and a gains wave. Or women who are like, damn, that's why I can't come as well as I used to and everything hurts, you know, go there gainswavecom slash, susan, and you get a seventh treatment which is worth its weight in gold. A seventh treatment, that's a good damn deal. So that's what I wanted to not forget to give you. And then you can find me on Instagram, amazing At my name, susan Bratton S-U-S-A-N-B-R-A-T-T-O-N.
Susan: 1:12:30
Susan Bratton, if you want to sign up for my sex tips newsletter, honestly, I just finished up a week of oral tips that are things you will literally toggling, peeking, sharing frames. You're like what the fuck is that? All incredible oral sex tips that will take you into new levels of bliss and happiness that you've never, ever achieved. You go to betterlovercom and you can sign up there for my newsletter. And if you like my political stuff I bitch a lot about politics, but I'm heavenly happy now. We're love bomb these days. That's on threads and that's my name as well. I have a YouTube channel. I don't do a lot on TikTok. I can only do so much, jesus.
Ellecia: 1:13:18
There's a lot of platforms.
Susan: 1:13:19
So that's where you can find me. Newsletter is great. Instagram is fun. There's a lot of videos on there and things like that. So there you go, and if you're on my newsletter and you have a question like, hey, you didn't address this one thing, this one thing, the one thing I probably forgot, um, or whatever it is, you can always reply to any of my newsletters. It comes to me directly and I will personally answer you. That's what makes me good at what I do, um, is answering people's questions. So, uh, feel free to do that as well. Thank you for having me.
Ellecia: 1:13:48
Thank you so much for coming on and and talking. This is, this is, you are a fountain of wisdom. There's so much good information here. Thank you so much. Thank you, wealth of knowledge there. If you enjoyed this episode, please, please, please, go give us a five-star rating, leave a review, let people know I would love you forever for doing so. Bye.